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		<title>Selecting a Content Management System for work</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work for a city government.  It&#8217;s actually my second time with them.  I left them in January 2001 because I was ready to write web applications and they weren&#8217;t.  Because the I.T. department didn&#8217;t care about the web in the 1990&#8242;s, the website fell into the hands of the Public Information Office.  And its [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a <a href="http://www.cityofchesapeake.net">city</a> government.  It&#8217;s actually my second time with them.  I left them in January 2001 because I was ready to write web applications and they weren&#8217;t.  Because the I.T. department didn&#8217;t care about the web in the 1990&#8242;s, the website fell into the hands of the Public Information Office.  And its been there ever since.</p>
<p>A couple of years after I left, the I.T. department finally decided it was time to have a presence on the web.  So they wrote a couple of &#8220;eServices&#8221;, bulk trash pickup, real estate assessment, etc.  But they never thought about taking back control of the website itself.  They concentrated on what I call &#8220;business apps&#8221; but totally ignored other types of web apps.</p>
<p>In the three years that I&#8217;ve been back, there have been on and off discussions about getting a Content Management System.  The city originally looked at products like Vignette (don&#8217;t know why they thought they could afford that one).  Well, the discussions are back on and this team it is getting serious.  But there is a problem.  Remember how I mentioned the website is not under I.T.&#8217;s control?  You guessed it.  PIO would like to make the decision on the product.  And I&#8217;m not fond of what they&#8217;ve chosen.  They are sold on <a href="http://www.ektron.com/">Ektron</a>.  While Ektron is full-featured and could do everything we want (actually its probably overkill), I have a few issues with it.  It&#8217;s expensive, maybe not to a city budget, but it is to me.  And more importantly, it runs on Microsoft-only technology.  It&#8217;s .Net, requires SQL Server, and uses Windows Servers with IIS.  Yuck.  I prefere to run my apps on a <a href="http://www.linux.org/">Linux</a> server using <a href="http://www.postgresql.org/">PostgreSQL</a> for the database.  As a developer who would like to be writing cool web apps for citizens, rather than boring business apps, this is personal.  I don&#8217;t write .Net now and I have no intention of writing .Net.</p>
<p>As an alternative, we looked at <a href="http://www.alfresco.com/">Alfresco</a>.  Alfresco is commercial open source.  Alfresco is very powerful and web content management is only a piece of the Alfresco puzzle.  Alfresco also does document management, image management, and record keeping.  Unfortunately, our design team in PIO weren&#8217;t thrilled by it.  I liked it but I now believe that it would probably be too technical and demanding for the few we have on our web team.</p>
<p>The next CMS we looked at is <a href="http://www.paperthin.com/">CommonSpot</a> by <a href="http://www.paperthin.com/">Paper Thin</a>.  CommonSpot is a <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/">ColdFusion</a>-based CMS.  It has many of the same features that Ektron has and runs on our current J2EE platform on WebSphere.  On a side note, we&#8217;re looking to migrate away from <a href="http://www-01.ibm.com/software/websphere/">WebSphere</a> to <a href="http://www.jboss.com/">JBoss</a>, but I&#8217;ll save that for another story.  The biggest drawback I have to CommonSpot is that it needs ColdFusion.  We have ColdFusion and I&#8217;ve written several apps in it, but my long-term goal is to move away from ColdFusion and utilize other languages and frameworks like <a href="http://groovy.codehaus.org/">Groovy</a> and <a href="http://grails.org/">Grails</a>.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s left?  I&#8217;ve looked at <a href="http://drupal.org/">Drupal</a> and <a href="http://www.joomla.org/">Joomla</a> but I don&#8217;t really care for <a href="http://www.php.net/">PHP</a>.  I really want a CMS that I can build apps to work within its framework.  We looked at <a href="http://plone.org/">Plone</a> in the past, but I&#8217;ve never been a big fan of Plone.  I always thought it was too complicated.  Do you write your app in Plone?  Or do you go down a layer and use <a href="http://www.zope.org/">Zope</a> and the ZMI?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of <a href="http://www.djangoproject.com/">Django</a>, so I contacted the <a href="http://ellingtoncms.com/">Ellington</a> team and spoke to them about Ellington today.  Since Ellington is designed primarily for newspaper and publishing sites, I&#8217;m going to try and persuade our team that a city website should probably be more like a newspaper site and that Ellington might be a good fit.  It doesn&#8217;t have the features of Ektron or CommonSpot, but I believe it may have just what we need.  Plus, if there is a piece that is missing, I could add it myself or find it in the Django community.</p>
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		<title>On my way to CFUnited 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffself.net/2007/06/26/on-my-way-to-cfunited-2007/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flying out today to go to <a href="http://cfunited.com/">CFUnited</a>.  Hope to get some good information while I&#8217;m there.  I need to learn more about <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/">Flex</a>, <a href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/">Spry</a> and <a href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/air/">AIR</a>.</p>
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		<title>Web Framework Comparison</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffself.net/2006/11/06/web-framework-comparison/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 02:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been keeping track of high school football scores in Virginia for quite a while. And I&#8217;ve been meaning to create a site to that will provide information on schools, seasons, etc. I also plan to add video highlights as well. Since I haven&#8217;t yet settled on a framework, I&#8217;ve decided that I will detail [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been keeping track of high school football scores in Virginia for quite a while.  And I&#8217;ve been meaning to create a site to that will provide information on schools, seasons, etc.  I also plan to add video highlights as well.  Since I haven&#8217;t yet settled on a framework, I&#8217;ve decided that I will detail the creation of my site in my blog as well as provide video of the design of the site using the three frameworks I&#8217;m looking at:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.rubyonrails.org">Ruby on Rails</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.djangoproject.com">Django</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion">ColdFusion</a> with <a href="http://http://www.model-glue.com/">Model-Glue:Unity</a></li>
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<p>Of course, I&#8217;ll be creating all this on my <a href="http://www.apple.com/macbookpro">MacBook Pro</a> using <a href="http://www.macromates.com/">TextMate</a> and maybe <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/">Eclipse</a> with <a href="http://www.cfeclipse.org/">CFEclipse</a>.  And the database will be <a href="http://www.postgresql.org/">PostgreSQL</a> because well is there anything better?</p>
<p>So, the stage has been set.  I&#8217;m still trying to decide which I like better, Django or RoR.  There are some things in each that I&#8217;m really impressed with.  And what about CF with M-G:U?  Its the definite underdog.  But I write in ColdFusion at work and I&#8217;ve been looking for a project to use M-G:U.  It could surprise me.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t worked out the details yet, but I&#8217;m thinking that I&#8217;ll do one particular piece at a time and do it under each framework for comparison&#8217;s sake.  And of course, I&#8217;m planning to make a screencast showing how each framework handles the particular task.</p>
<p>Now if only I can convince my work to let me have the time off to work on this, while still paying me, then we can make some progress.  Otherwise, this will take a while.</p>
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